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  1. Matt Belanger
    October 31, 2008

    You completely lost me with the last paragraph. To say that this movie, like most of Kevin Smith’s movies, is completely forgettable, is a bit much. Granted I haven’t seen this movie but, the man has legions of fans. Sorry, no. Michael Jordan has fans. This man has disciples. You don’t build the kind of following he has by making “forgettable” movies. I’ll quote what most film students tell me when I rant about David Lynch: “Maybe you just didn’t get it.”

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  2. Black Sheep
    October 31, 2008

    There isn’t much to get when it comes to Kevin Smith films. Calling Smith fans disciples is a bit much. Sure, they’re more dedicated than fans but if they’re actually followers, I am weary of what they are following. I will give Smith “Clerks”. It is a significant film in the realm of film history. He made it for nothing and it made a bunch of cash. It changed the way people thought about independent film and it placed Smith alongside Quentin Tarantino in the independent film surge of the 90’s. I will also give him some props for “Chasing Amy”. Interesting premise and much more character driven than he was used to. Smith actually pushed himself with that one. That’s it though. All his other films … forgettable. And in the case of “Dogma”, just plain bad. Mind you, perhaps it isn’t fair of me to say that. I forget a lot of things. See the film and tell me what you think.

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  3. Matt Belanger
    November 1, 2008

    First off, I would compare Kevin Smith fans to Star Trek fans. They dress up for Kevin Smith events, they’ll buy anything he puts out, etc.
    Secondly, you refer to Smith as one of the most overrated filmmakers making movies today. But just because you know him doesn’t make him overrated. The man has a fanbase that pay for his life. His movies don’t make a lot of money but make enough money for him to continue to have a career. He’s not winning any awards unless you count MTV movie awards for dirtiest mouth. You know his name because he does everything and the man knows how to network and market himself. He produces films his friends make (Good Will Hunting, Small Town Gay Bar) that go on to win awards that his films could never do. He acts in roles where he’s basically cast as himself and doesn’t really need to show a lot of range. He writes… everything. Comic books, books, movies, re-writes on other movies, uncredited re-writes (more networking), newspaper articles, magazines, film reviews, online blogs, etc. He does stand up while promoting his stuff (comic conventions, Q&A sessions like Evening With Kevin Smith, and even has a regular spot on the Tonight Show). He directs only his features and doesn’t get outside projects. If he was as overrated as you say he is, wouldn’t people be trying to get him to direct other projects? If anything, with his list of things he does, he’s a little underrated.
    Now I got to watch the movie last night and I’d say that you gave it very little chance. Your complaints were all in the first 5 minutes of the movie and I’d say you gave up on it from there. You describe the jokes as tired and old, but part of what made this movie hilarious was how the jokes were sold. For example, you describe “husband hating his wife” jokes as tired and old but the wording of them and the delivery from Craig Robinson made me laugh every time. There were times in this movie that I was having trouble to stop laughing. And I wasn’t the only one. The entire theater was in stiches (even my father in law). As for his choice to use the word faggot, you have to consider the source of which character is saying it. A snot nose little shit who you’re suppose to dislike in the matter of seconds. One way of getting us to not like him, get him to say something stupid. I’d say you’re making too much of that one.
    I’m not saying this movie is brilliant, but it’s exactly what I woudl have wanted it to be. Funny. Like every other one of Kevin Smith’s movies, a solid B. Except Jersey Girl.

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  4. Black Sheep
    November 1, 2008

    Clearly you’re a fan. You want to be a follower? Awesome. What you fail to grasp here is how anyone could have an experience that differs from yours. My examples may come from the first few scenes but that doesn’t mean I shut off for the rest of the film and waited for it to end … Although I do admit to doing that in ACROSS THE UNIVERSE and more recently in APPALOOSA … My opinion is no more right or wrong than yours. You can cite a theatre full of people laughing and I can tell you about the group I saw it only laughing half the time. I did say in my review that ZACK AND MIRI is not without its charms or laughs, and I reiterate here again that this is in large thanks to Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks. I just think that Smith doesn’t try very hard and has been coasting for years, making variations of the same movie with the same characters. I believe that ZACK AND MIRI would have been a better film had someone else tackled it … someone who was interested in pushing himself or improving on his talent. Even Jason Mewes pushed himself in this one so why isn’t Smith held to this standard?

    As for his uses of the word “faggot”, I don’t think I’m making anything of it. I cited it as an example of lazy writing, not as an example of offensive homophobia. And you proved my point on that in your own defense of it. Like you said, we had to had a snot nosed teenager in a matter of seconds so he chose a word that would do the trick. What do you have there? Cliched character and the easiest answer to get your point across.

    It would too facile to say that Smith should try harder. As you point out, he’s already doing a crapload of work. Perhaps his problem isn’t laziness then but rather a lack of focus.

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